Friday, February 08, 2008

Simple Silence

The principle of silence is really quit simple and is a common occurrence in everyday life. This may be a part of the difficulty that people have with the principle; it’s too simple and too common that it is often overlooked. Much like the process of breathing in air, it is so natural that people often fail to give thanks to Almighty God for the air, the ability and the process of breathing it into our lungs - oh, and don't forget to exhale. Silence is as simple as walking into a restaurant and ordering your favorite meal off the menu. Mine happens to be breaded pork chops fried in bacon grease, covered in country gravy with a homemade biscuit of the side. If the waitress brought me everything on the menu including what I had ordered and the manager expected me to pay simply because the manager says, "Well Mr. Popejoy, you did fail to tell us not to bring everything on the menu. I don't know if you realize this or not but our other menu selections are very popular. So enjoy your meal, Mr. Popejoy."

Friends, silence is really that simple. The restaurant represents the religious world and the menu, all the choices of worship styles that are offered. God is the costumer and we are the waiter; the cook; and the manager. In John 4:23-24 Jesus said, "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." Who really wants to be the manager on the Day of Judgment expecting God to pay for the whole menu, when He only ordered breaded pork chops fried in bacon grease, covered in country gravy with a homemade biscuit of the side? Who wants to be the waitress that messed up the order or the cook that failed to speak up and say, “Wait one minute, this customer only ordered pork chops!”

It is the height of arrogance for Mark Henderson, or any other man, to tell God what He will get or not get. Humility allows God to decide. Seeing that God desired for men to walk by faith (2 Cor. 5:7) and that faith comes by the word of God (Rom. 10:17) the only way to walk/live that pleases God is to listen to His revealed will, the New Testament.

Consider another problem that we have with regards to this whole situation that Mark Henderson has brought on the churches in the Oklahoma City area. A manager at a local Wendy’s restaurant decides that he is going to start serving Big Mac’s, Quarter Ponders and McRibs on his menu. In reality he wants to be a McDonalds but he does not want to give up the Wendy’s franchise benefits. Is that local restaurant a Wendy’s or a McDonalds? Trying to be an instrumental church of Christ is like trying to be a Wendy’s selling Big Macs! Is Quail Springs a church of Christ or a Baptist Church? In reality the elders at Quail Spring are just like that manager that does not want to give up the Wendy’s franchise benefits. Its time to give up the benefits of the franchise! If you want to be the denomination known as “The Family of God at Quail Spring” have the courage to take down the sign out front that still says, “Quail Springs Church of Christ.”

Rick Popejoy

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Anonymous said...

Ah, yes. The benefits of the church of Christ franchise.

Anonymous said...

But it's not that simple, Rick. I agree that the mention of instruments in the OT (past) and in Revelation (future) doesn't mean they're acceptable for NT Christians (present), but can you blame people for being confused over it?

To use your restaurant analogy, let's say that every day for a month, you ate at the same restaurant for lunch. Each day, you ordered a hamburger and a soda. The server grew accustomed to your order.

One day, you walked in and said, "I'll have a hamburger as usual." And the server brings you a hamburger and a soda. Can you blame him? You just changed a big part of your order, but you didn't tell him specifically. You were "silent" about the soda.

In the same way, God commanded worship with singing and with various instruments for many, many years (Ps. 150, among others). Then, in the NT, the text speaks of singing. Perhaps this is God's way of leaving out instruments. But you have to admit it's not as simple of a command as "love your neighbor" or "do not murder."

So, this attitude of "These people who worship with instruments just need to take 30 seconds to read the text and it would be crystal clear! I don't know why they can't understand this simple little thing - it's as simple as Big Macs and French fries" has got to go.

Maybe these people are wrong, and maybe according to the text, a sin is a sin is a sin, so we can "mark" them right along with those who deny the divinity of Christ, but let's rethink our tactics and perhaps speak differently of people who are misled over a complex issue (instrumental music) than we would people who are wrong about an obvious issue (say, maybe, heroin addicts).

Anonymous said...

Dear Anonymous 12:20:

Thank you.

aks2u said...

would you like fries with that?

Anonymous said...

Rick, many church of christ use instruments. It is just the name over the door.

Anonymous said...

If the church of christ is not a denomination, then why do you care that they take the sign down?

J. Dean, OKC said...

Anonymous,

When the man came in to the restaurant and said "as usual" that carried with it ALL that was implied. In that instance he probably needed to clarify "except for the soda".

All illustration have their limits. The difference is the nature of what constitutes a covenant.

There is NO room for assumptions on business "as usual". What God stipulated with Israel through Moses has ZERO bearing on what Christ (who was given all authority) stipulated with the Church through the apostles.

For instance, even though the original settlers in this country had been under British rule of Law, once they became independent and under the Constitution they were no longe bound to the former.

They may be similarities at point, but that does not mean that we appeal to the British rule.

Only what is constitutional matters to US citizens. So too, only what is under NT authority matters to the church.

Approval comes from what is stated by the current rule of law.

No one has the right to assume, we have a responsibility to know what the covenant requires and approves.

Anonymous said...

Rick and Brant,
I absolutely hate what you did. I thought that the ad was distasteful, incorrect, and very ignorant on your part. As a member of the Church of Christ I was embarrased and saddened for the church. You criticize Mark for chasing people away from Quail Springs yet you pay $11,000 for garbage to go in a newspaper that did not only scare people away from the Church of Christ but any Religion for that matter. How hypocrytical is that? I am not saying all religions are ok. But some religion no matter what it is keeps alot of people out of alot of bad things such as crimes, drugs, drinking, murder, etc... You single handedly just made hundreds if not thousands of people say to themselves "man the church of christ is condemning and bickering, I should stay away from there." others probably just swore off any religion at that. Christ came to seek and save the lost, your public rant did just the opposite. Congratulations. I hope the leadership at your congregations can see that or I hope you see that in yourself and that you are embarrased and ashamed. I know that you probably won't be and it is sad that you are ok with chasing people away from the church.

Doug,
Edmond

Free in Christ said...

Rick, I think you would be a better restaurant manager than a preacher. You seem to know a lot more about food than the freedom we enjoy in Christ Jesus.

Rick said...

The benefits are out of this world

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Anonymous Burger Eater said...

J.Dean,

I pretty much agree with you. But, don't you see that this is not as easy as "Eph. 5:19, Col. 3:16, bing, bang, boom"?

To fully understand the law of silence, as well as the broader argument against instruments, a more in-depth study is necessary. So, again, we shouldn't lump instrumental worshipers in with heroin users. The arguments against both are on very different levels.

That's my main issue with the Reflections group. They see no practical difference in how you treat various people who are misguided in their interpretation of scripture. Denying the divinity of Christ is on the same level as using a guitar in worship. Arguing for instruments is the same as arguing for heroin use. Scripturally, yes, a sin is a sin is a sin. But you have to recognize that people will be confused, bewildered, and defensive if you compare their Sunday instrumental worship with heroin use. Arguments can be both Biblically grounded and effective. From my experience, Reflections puts all the emphasis on the former, and doesn't care much how it is received or if it's effective. This kind of thinking leads you to compare instrumental worship to heroin use on statewide television without regard to how that might come across.

This is not sacrificing scripture for "the ways of man" or watering down arguments so they're not offensive. Yes, I know the prophets used STRONG imagery to speak of Israel's idolatry. Maybe that gives you permission to do that. But remember, "what is permissible is not always beneficial." Just because you can, doesn't mean you must.

Rick said...

anon February 08, 2008 12:20 PM

Rick here:

First, because j.dean has already addressed many of the issues I will not readdress them.

Second, please remember that I am not saying that it is as simple as a 30 second read. It takes study, yes. My point was that the principle itself is everyday, not some profound theological interpretation reserved only for the elite.

Third, “love your neighbor” and “do not murder” are not as simple as they sound as far as religious interpretation among some are concerned. For example, if “love thy neighbor” was so easy why do so many have problems with discipline in society. If “do not murder” was so easy to understand why are there over 3000 innocent children slaughtered everyday. Why would any Christian vote for a person that vows to continue this slaughter? This is not a political discussion, just discussing the points brought up.

Thanks for your reply

Rick said...

Doug writes, "Christ came to seek and save the lost, your public rant did just the opposite."

Rick here: Doug this simply is incorrect. We had a Methodist call and said that the article made him rethink the entire issue of mechanical instruments of music in worship. We have six Bible studies already set up and look forward to many more. Members from area churches of Christ have called and stated that they thought their church was going in the same direction and desired our help.

More could be said but that is enough for now. It's looking really good at this point.

Rick said...

Stupidity is not deleated only immoral, unethical and/or unbiblical comments.

Rick said...

anon February 08, 2008 2:37 PM, writes, "Rick, many church of Christ use instruments. It is just the name over the door."

Rick here: No, not one single church of Christ has mechanical instruments of music in worship, when a church does such they have ceased being a church of Christ. At that point their candlestick has been removed by the Lord. This is a defining moment.

Why do I mind? because it is false advertising on the part of Quail Spring. They are using the name of the precious Lord Jesus Christ to promote Baptist doctrine.

Rick said...

LIST THE CHURCHES!

NO! ENOUGH SAID!

ellebelle said...

Is that a biblical reference to our candlestick being removed?? Never heard that one before.

Observer said...

Doug wrote,
"I am not saying all religions are ok. But some religion no matter what it is keeps alot of people out of alot of bad things such as crimes, drugs, drinking, murder, etc..."

Doug,
Did you know that morality kept people from doing those things before there was such a thing as modern religion? Jesus brought no new moral precept into the world when He came. His first advent was not to make men moral, but to save them from their sins (Luke 19:10). What was morally right before He came is morally right today and what was morally wrong before He came is likewise wrong today. Men can be moral without religion, but cannot be saved without the blood of Christ.

Rick said...

ellebelle said...
"Is that a biblical reference to our candlestick being removed?? Never heard that one before."

Rick here: yes, ellebelle, the reference is to the church of Christ in Ephesus (Rev. 2:5). Thanks for the question.

Anonymous said...

He can't list the churches. If there are any, which I doubt, they would lose members upset about using the Lord's money to drive people away from the church of Christ. I would certainly resign from my church if we participated, but I know we didn't. The two largest churches of Christ in the OKC area have already disavowed any connection with the ad or this group of self-rightous Pharisees from Lindsay and I suspect many more will do so soon.

Rick said...

Free in Christ said...
"Rick, I think you would be a better restaurant manager than a preacher. You seem to know a lot more about food than the freedom we enjoy in Christ Jesus."

Rick here: I know enough to know that I not free enough in Christ to walk in darkness (1 Jho. 1:6-10). I know that I am not free enough to disobey my Lord (Heb. 5:8-9; Mat. 7:21-23). Besides, if I am that free in Christ why the rebuke in the first place. I am free to not think that I am free!

Anonymous said...

Rick said,

"No, not one single church of Christ has mechanical instruments of music in worship, when a church does such they have ceased being a church of Christ."

Who gives you the authority to make that claim?

Your statements make it true that you believe the church of christ is a denomination. If you can kick them out of the subgroup of the church of christ, then you make the church of christ a denomination.

doug

Rick said...

anon, February 08, 2008 3:48 PM writes: "The two largest churches of Christ in the OKC area have already disavowed any connection with the ad"

Rick here: I am sure that just because they are the largest, they must be right. All us itty bitty guys really don't matter anyway to you great big boys now do we?

Besides, you might be suprised at how many of the members of those big boys are calling and saying "good job" and "let's meet"?

Anonymous said...

Observer

I realize that morality does keep people from doing certain actions. But don't you believe that religion influences peoples morality no matter what religion they affiliate with?

Rick said...

Doug writes: "Who gives you the authority to make that claim?"

Rick here: Jesus

Doug writes: "Your statements make it true that you believe the church of christ is a denomination. If you can kick them out of the subgroup of the church of christ, then you make the church of christ a denomination."

Rick here: Doug, I have not kicked anyone out, but I do have a responsibility to recognize those to whom Jesus has.

I must inquire as to what you mean by a sub-group? I do not know of any such use in Scripture. Would you be so kind as to explain?

Burger Eater said...

Rick,

Would you at least address why you won't list the congregations? Is it at their request, or is this your decision?

Anonymous said...

Rick,
Jesus spoke to you and said that the QS church no longer loves me and worships me in a proper way? Highly doubtful. What you hopefully know is that the new law changed the old law in the sense that the old law was about written codes and regulations. Jesus changed that so that the new law is all about the heart. You know Mark Hendersons heart? You know my heart? When I sing along with instruments are you saying that you know I am not making a melody to the lord with my heart? You must have some kind of special power. Only Jesus knows my heart.

Please show me scripture where Jesus gives you the responsibility to claim people or groups of people no longer have fellowship with him?

Rick said...

Burger Eater said... "Rick, Would you at least address why you won't list the congregations? Is it at their request, or is this your decision?"

Rick here: Yes. Some did request that their names be anonymous. On the other hand, there were some like one eldership who stated "we don't want to just support the ad, we want to take a stand."

It was discussed and decided that the purpose of the ad would be better suited with a general statement regarding faithful members and area churches of Christ.

By the way, someone answer me this? Have any of you called the North MacArthur Church of Christ complaining that their ad for Affirming the Faith said it was "Hosted by: The Oklahoma City Area Churches of Christ"? Do you suppose that ALL the Oklahoma City area churches of Christ hosted this event?

Rick said...

Answer to anon, February 08, 2008 4:23 PM:

If the New Testament is all about the heart why would you need a Scripture reference, kind of defeates the purpose does it not? On the other hand, Jesus said we are to worship in spirit (heart) and truth (law).

But for those appreacite the law of faith (Rom. 3:27) and the perfect law of liberity (Jas. 1:25); and the royal law (Jas. 2:8); for those who walk by the same rule (Phi. 3:16) and who walk according to this rule (Gal. 6:16), I will give my proof text listed below:

We are to mark & avoid false teachers (Rom. 16:17-18).

We are to note & have no company with men who obey not apostolic tradition (2 The. 2:15; 3:14).

Burger Eater said...

Rick,

About the supporting congregations, you said,
"Some did request that their names be anonymous."

Why do you suppose they did this? Do you think it's right to "mark" someone and then not "own up" to it?
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You said,
"It was discussed and decided that the purpose of the ad would be better suited with a general statement regarding faithful members and area churches of Christ."

Fine. You listed it that way in the newspaper ad. But that doesn't mean you can't provide the congregation names upon request.
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You said,
"Have any of you called the North MacArthur Church of Christ complaining that their ad for Affirming the Faith said it was 'Hosted by: The Oklahoma City Area Churches of Christ"? Do you suppose that ALL the Oklahoma City area churches of Christ hosted this event?"

The North Mac ad content and the Reflections ad content were much different. Most church members probably didn't mind being "lumped" in with the North Mac ad. Many of us, however, take issue with being "lumped in" with the Reflections ad. If the North Mac ad had advertised a "Marking Mark Henderson" seminar, hosted by "area churches of Christ," I would be asking them the same questions.

Rick said...

I think that I have made this point perfectly clear and will not speak of it again. The decision was anonymity and I will keep my word, period.

Besides, I will not give liberals a list of my supporters just so that they can mock, ridicule and seek to destroy my support.

If any desire to let you know that is between you and them, not me. I am bound by my oath. Why would any Christian seek for me to anything else?

This does speak to the heart of the matter at hand, people are not againt mentioning names in a good sense, they are opposed of mentioning names in a bad sense (cf. Gal. 2:11; 1 Tim. 1:20; 2 Tim. 1:15; 2 Tim. 2:17; 4:10; etc.).

Anonymous said...

Rick,
Romans 16:17-18 does not say that we are to mark false teachers. It does not say that we have the authority to do so. All it says is that they exist and to watch out for them. I think you are using this verse out of context. Those verses are warnings not commands to mark people as false teachers. I also have never received any answer as to why you only ran this ad about Mark Henderson. If it is your responsibility to mark false teachers, why have you never published an ad about any baptist preacher, catholic priest, or minister of any other denomination? I hope you have a list of every false teacher. Otherwise you are not doing your responsibility.
Doug

Burger Eater said...

Rick,
You said,
"The decision was anonymity and I will keep my word, period."

I'm not asking you to break your word. If they gave on condition of anonymity, then fine. I AM asking whether it's good practice (and indeed scriptural) to "mark" someone anonymously, or behind a generality of "faithful area churches of Christ." Basically, I'm saying they shouldn't have given anonymously to this cause in the first place, and you shouldn't have accepted their money on such a premise.

What kind of eldership pays for and supports such a controversial ad and then won't stand up and defend it? I post anonymously out of fear - I am coming out and admitting it. Is that their reason too?

Anonymous said...

Rick,

Keep doing the Lord's work. Your big day has come and you are indeed now infamous. I'm sure that the Lord is smiling down upon you. You and your friends have single-handledly united an entire community, saved thousands from the perils of instrumental music, and have drawn hundreds closer to the Lord.

What a great week for the Church of Christ. You really showed them!

It's Quail SpringS, by the way.

Anonymous said...

I think I finally have it figured out. All I have to do is agree with Rick, Gil, and Brant. If not, I go to hell. Where my study and prayer lead me to another understanding, I just scrap it and go with Rick, Gil, and Brant. Now that I think of it, why study and pray at all? I think as I go forward, I will just ask Rick, Gil, and Brant.

I can't tell you how excited I am about getting everything right from now on. Hey, I just had an eppyfunny (get it). If I can get everything right, I won't have to depend on the blood of Christ for anything. Jesus won't have to waste any of his grace and mercy on me. And maybe, just maybe, he can use my preset, limited portion on the stupid, idiot, frolicking, fornicating whores that disagree with Rick, Gil, and Brant.

Truly, these three guys are the culmination of a years long search for me. There used to be guy that reminded me of them down in Texas. He too had the direct-dial in to God. His name was David something or other -- lived somewhere near Waco I think.

Anyway, is there any Rick, Gil, and Brant literature, like a brochure with bullet points I can get that will tell me what I can and can't do. I'm really not interested in the Bible anymore. It's way too complicated for us idiots. Dumb-proof bullet points -- that's what I'm looking for.

Oh, just to be sure -- Rick, Gil, and Brant -- you guys agree on everything -- right?

PBHM

aks2u said...

woah! Let's be careful about throwing names around. I would like to know who supported the ad, but I don't think I'd ever consider myself a "liberal".

I'm pretty sure those who decided to add song books to their worship around the turn of the century were called "liberals".

A certain man born two thousand years ago who died on the cross was certainly called a "liberal".

The word doesn't really mean anything, but I still don't think it applies.

Rick said...

Romans 16:17:
"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them."

Doug, I must disagree with you on this point. Paul "beseech[es]" (parakaleo = calling them to his side on this point & same word used in 12:1) his brethren to do something, that some thing is to "mark" (skopeo = poinit out for others to see) and to "avoid" (ekklino = turn away from) them (i.e., those who cause division with their false teaching).

Rick said...

anon, February 08, 2008 5:08 PM

Rick here: you are right, I stand corrected, it's Quail Springs.

Very funny post. If you sign your name your seeking fame, if you don't your dishonest. Can't win with a liberal!

aks2u said...

seriously.

I don't think the name calling is helping your cause.

I'm sure it's not helping God's.

Rick said...

PBHM,
I have never seen anybody read between the lines that much. You must be highly edgeumacated.

J. Dean, OKC said...

Doug wrote:
But some religion no matter what it is keeps alot of people out of alot of bad things such as crimes, drugs, drinking, murder, etc...

Wow!! Just think, you can make society a better place to go to hell from.

Saving a soul will lead them out of crime, etc.

Please remember the warning to cowards in Rev. 21:8.

Anonymous said...

I am an elder at Memorial Road in Edmond. I wish to remain anonymous at this time. At first I was somewhat against the article because of the public marking. My wife set me down and reminded me that was a biblical mandate just as much as any other command. The church has begun to change so fast in the last few years. Some of which has been good and some of which has been bad. Any unauthorized change is wrong. Rick and Brant are correct that everything must be sanctioned by God under the New Covenant for it to be permissible. Instruments in worship are sinful. I DO NOT speak for the entire eldership but after much internal thought I support the add 100%. The main thing that has upset people in the church is Rick and Brant's failure to name the donors. This is their right. I know of several area churches that did support it and I know one man who is heavily considering sending a check himself ...me.
This is the doctrine the church has always held..because it is a Bible doctrine. I am good friends with brother Lyon and he agrees that Quail Springs cannot be fellowshipped at all. he spoke about this at the Freed Lectures.

How can I subscribe to Reflections?

jack said...

Songbooks were used by christians long before the turn of the century, and it was not considered "liberal."

And surely you see that Rick and others are using "liberal" in a certain context. That of adding unauthorized practices to the worship of Jehovah.

In some contexts it's bad not to be liberal. Rick is "liberal" in his preaching of the gospel. Christians are commanded to be liberal in their giving.

Sorry Rick to get in on this but the mental gymnastics by these LIBERALS is beyond me. ha.

Anonymous said...

Freed Lectures -- am I the only one that sees the joke here?

Anonymous said...

Coming from a Memorial Road member, this is NOT the opinion of everyone at Memorial. We do NOT support this article.

Bro. Disciple said...

Doug,

Actually, those who separate themselves are the ones becoming a denomination. They created the division.

Anonymous said...

How can "you" speak for everyone at Memorial?

I thought "you" didn't do that.

The elder said he only spoke for himseld, didn't he?

Susuan
SW OKC

Memorial Rd. getting involved said...

To Elder at Memorial Rd. Church of Christ,

You just committed leadership suicide for yourself against your congregation.

While many in your church will agree with, many will not. And I know your ministers do not agree with you as they have personally stated their support to staff and Elders at Quail Springs Church of Christ.

Mack Lyon and his "In Search of the Lord's Way" is the biggest waste of money in the Church of Christ denomination ever!

Rick said...

Ten copies of Reflections are sent to every church in Oklahoma on a bi-monthly basis, but if you will send me your mailing address at biblereflections@hotmail.com I will make sure that you get on the list.

Please give your wife my gratitude.

Anonymous said...

Those who are opposed to the Oklahoman Ad are in serious need of repentance.

They need to repent of cowardice.

They need to repent of refusing to defend the truth.

They need to repent of aiding and abetting false doctrine.

Rick said...

"You just committed leadership suicide for yourself against your congregation."

Rick here: if taking a stand for a biblical concept is leadership suicide, let's pray for more.

Anonymous said...

Amen, Rick. Quail Springs, if you are not going to abide by the long-established rules of our denomination, then at least have the courtesy of taking OUR name off your sign! It's not your name, it belongs to us! Just like "Methodist" belongs to that denomination, "Church of Christ" belongs to us!

Er... not that we're a denomination, you know.. er... we're all autonomous, actually, so no one group bosses another group around but...er...but you still have to do what we say...er...or you can't be one of us...you know, autonomous...er...oh, never mind.

Don't worry, Rick. I think your underlying strategy will work. If those faithful COC folks keep acting like the source of the jawbone in front of the whole world, the people at QS will eventually change their name out of sheer embarrassment.

Bro. Disciple said...

Memorial Rd.,

If you are correct, I hope they fire the whole lot of them.

No man unwilling to teach the truth is worthy of being supported

Anonymous said...

I know that arguing about this is a futile effort. I don't believe that anyone will change how they feel and I believe that all are very sincire in their belief. It does however feel as though the churches that are turning thier backs on Quail or damning them, seem to have missed Jesus all together. Do you know the Jesus I know? Who said, "the greatest commandment is this 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and love your neighbor as yourself'" Regardless of how you view the members at Quail, they are your neighbors and you should love them. If you are truly convicted that they are in the wrong, you need to confront them in a christian arena... not on the internet or in the Daily Oklahoman and come with Biblical reproof. If you still disagree say, "I love you and will pray for you"

We may not agree, but I love you as brothers and sisters in Christ and will pray for God to soften your heart.

Rick & I are saved said...

Rick,

You just confirmed for the many reading your vile blogings that you are truly a sick individual.

But you too will be saved from your vileness and spend eternity with Jesus because of the same gift of grace from God that will same me and all who worship in a manner you condemn.

Bro. Disciple said...

PBHM,

Actually Brant, Rick, etc. would encourage you read adn study the Bible. They would want you to learn how handle to it correctly and how to use sound reasoning.

It due to a serious lack of teaching that has left so many in the Lord's church bereft of understanding.

Teaching the truth in love? said...

Okla. Christian Univ. Talon editorial

Teaching the truth in love?

By Jed Lovejoy on 02/08/08 at 11:00AM

I don’t know how many people are familiar with the story of Stephen, so here is a very short paraphrase of his story found in Acts 6-7.

Stephen was seen as a man full of “faith and of the Holy Spirit” by the apostles and was appointed as one of seven men to take care of Grecian widows. He did many great things for and in the name of God. Eventually people were so upset that they stirred up false witnesses against Stephen and took him to trial. There Stephen boldly spoke out with the power of the Holy Spirit. Then the tribunal became furious at his words and they took Stephen outside the city and stoned him.

In my view, this is one of the Bible’s most powerful examples of direct persecution. I think it is outrageous that a man’s peaceful actions can arouse such hatred among so many people.

Christians have suffered many horrible acts like this throughout history, but we can now praise God that such things no longer take place. Can’t we? Oh, I know that people aren’t literally thrown to the lions or hung upside down on a cross anymore, but how much of this is accomplished in a more modern sense using the hateful speech of gossip or public defamation of character?

Sadly, I must say that this is how I feel about the advertisement titled “Changing God’s Tune” that came out in “The Oklahoman” on Feb. 6.

The majority of the article is used as a teaching tool about how instrumental music isn’t true worship and was never intended by God to be included in our worship. I have no problem with this. If a church wants to publicly declare its beliefs, I see nothing scripturally or personally that should hold it back. However, my problem comes with the final section of this ad that is located in the bottom right corner.

Here the designers of this ad wrote “Oklahoma churches rise up, Henderson marked.” Mark Henderson is the minister at Quail Springs Church of Christ in Edmond, Okla. It continues by saying that congregations in Oklahoma and Texas have declared Henderson a false teacher.

I have a major problem with this bold declaration, especially since the ad says it was paid for by “faithful members and area churches of Christ.”

Let’s say you do disagree with the actions of Quail Springs. Matt. 18:15-17 outlines how to deal with a brother in sin and nowhere does it say that we are to call them out in public. It says we can tell it to the church.

Quick reminder about Churches of Christ. They are autonomous. One church has no power over another or any right to step in make decisions for the body worshiping in that area. Each congregation strives to interpret the scriptures in a way that holds to the principals of the New Testament and Jesus Christ and will increase the faith of the believers there. If a congregation has a problem with another church or the teachings of a specific church, they should go to the other party and try to work things out amongst themselves. If it comes down to it, they can inform their congregation about the beliefs in dispute and let them search the scriptures for their own answers.

If I go a step further and look at the claim made in the article that Henderson is a “false teacher,” I still find no Biblical principal for proclaiming that statement in a public forum. In the New Testament, false teachers were marked within a congregation and their teaching was dispelled by the teaching of the apostles and the searching of scriptures by individual members.

Aquila and Priscilla, in Acts 18, find a man named Apollos speaking in Ephesus. The man spoke with great conviction, but wasn’t speaking accurately. So, Aquila and Priscilla stood in the midst of his teaching and proclaimed with a loud voice that he spoke of a false doctrine and continued to do so until he had left the town. NO! The two of them took Apollos aside after he had finished speaking and invited him home with them to explain the word of God to him more accurately.

Even without the “turn the other cheek” passage, I find no basis for the actions of the churches and individuals who produced this advertisement.

The men in charge of this advertisement agree that they still love Mark and all the members of Quail Springs. They feel they are defending “The Church” (Churches of Christ) and are not exacting a personal vendetta against anyone. They have said that if Mark will make a public confession of the error of his teachings they would gladly forgive him and welcome him back into the fold. However, I have to wonder if the damage has already been done.

When I sat down and began this editorial, my heat was yelling out “You stiff-necked people!” But as I continued to research and hear how the event was affecting students on campus and other people in the area, I could only feel sorrow and pain that this will tear a rift among so many Christians. I pray that people will search their hearts and the scriptures for the best way to deal with this event and will support those around them who are offended by this act. To expand on the final words of Stephen as he was stoned, may God not hold our sins against us.

http://blogs.oc.edu/ee/index.php?/talon/cat/teaching_the_truth_in_love/

Anonymous said...

I am sorry I ever commented on this blog. My anger over the issue took precedence over the Holy Spirit within me. Listen to that small voice inside begging you to stop typing and arguing amongst each other. This blog and the comments represented in it are not the work of the Lord. Satan is winning here.

I will visit this site no longer. I encourage you to do the same.

Bro. Disciple said...

To Love God ... is to obey him.

To Love your neighbor ... is to seek his salvation, by telling him the truth.

Those who espouse error do not love God or their neighbors.

Rick said...

Anon February 08, 2008 6:28 PM:

Rick here: Some who oppose the ad are not cowards; they believe in defending the truth and certainly would not knowingly aid and abet a false teacher. They simply believe that the ad went too far by airing our laundry out in public. I believe that when people air dirty laundry in public somebody has to be responsible and go clean it up.

On the other hand, some are cowards; they would not stand up for any Bible doctrine and they knowingly give aid to false teacher and will be held accountable in the judgment.

May we have the wisdom to know the difference.

J. Dean, OKC said...

Anonymous mentioned the Holy Spirit and the still small voice within.

This goes to show just are far of the path of truth many in the church are. It isn't just the instrument.

There is a dirth of sound teaching. These poor souls are so mislead.

Rick said...

Evidentlty the only requirment for being church of Christ for anon, February 08, 2008 6:35 PM is autonomy. Everything else is just thrown out the window.

Rick said...

anon, February 08, 2008 6:40 PM

If you can get Mark Henderson to stand up for his belief in public a public discussion, we will be glad to agree to the same. Let the church here the discussion.

Anonymous said...

1 Chronicles 15:16
16 David told the leaders of the Levites to appoint their brothers as singers to sing joyful songs, accompanied by musical instruments: lyres, harps and cymbals.

2 Chronicles 7:6
6 The priests took their positions, as did the Levites with the LORD's musical instruments, which King David had made for praising the LORD and which were used when he gave thanks, saying, "His love endures forever."

Do you believe the God in the Old Testament is different from the one in the New?
Jesus came not to discredit or do away with the Old Testament, but to fulfill it.

All the answers? said...

Rick is the smartest religious person there is in the Church of Christ denomination. If you don't believe this, just ask him, he'll tell you such himself. He has all the answers.

Rick said...

Rick & I are saved said...

Rick here: Herein lies the problem with grace only doctrine, it is really nothing more "once saved, always saved" doctrine.

rick & I are saved said...

Rick,
You don't need grace? If you don't then I guess you should change your name to Jesus Christ.

Grace is what makes us perfect in the eyes of the Lord.

All Christians fall short of the glory of God, but through grace all Christians will be saved.

Jeff Martin said...

There is a big difference between needing grace and grace being an excuse to do whatever you want. God's grace will not save someone who refuses to repent.

rick & i are saved said...

Jeff,
No one said anything about being able to do whatever you want. That is always the argument that you legalists trot out on the grace issue. However, there are no bounds to the amount of grace available to you Jeff.

Rick said...

anon, February 08, 2008 7:22 PM writes:

Do you believe the God in the Old Testament is different from the one in the New?

Rick here: No, but His covenant is different. Offered any animal sacrifices lately?

Jeff Martin said...

"there are no bounds" - what exactly does that mean?

If you agree that we must live correctly, then what's your argument? If it's not grace only, what must be added to grace?

saved said...

Jeff,
"no bounds" means "no limit"

Jeff Martin said...

"Jesus came not to discredit or do away with the Old Testament, but to fulfill it."

If it's been fulfilled, what's left for us to do? Why bind on yourself something that has already served it's purpose?

Rick said...

rick & i are saved said, "Grace is what makes us perfect in the eyes of the Lord."

Hello, do people not study their Bible! Grace does not make us perfect, grace is the disposition of God towards man that allowed Him to offer His Son on the cross and reveal His will in the gospel for all to obey. AND I WHOLEHEARTLY BELIEVE IN IT!

I don’t know if it is the preachers doing such a poor job of teaching; elders doing such a poor job of shepherding or members doing such a poor job of studying, maybe a combination of all three.

Rick said...

All the answers? said, "Rick is the smartest religious person there is in the Church of Christ denomination. If you don't believe this, just ask him, he'll tell you such himself. He has all the answers."

Rick here: first, the church is not a denomination; second, I have never indicated such; third, since when is conviction and giving an answer "knowing it all?"

Rather than engaging in this mind boggling discussion "he-thinks-he-knows-it-all", why not just offer and argument for the use of mechanical instruments of music in worship from the New Testament?

Jeff Martin said...

but you must agree that there are limits to what grace covers and who will receive it - grace will not cover an unrepentant heart, and there are limits to what I can do and still be under it.

Anonymous said...

I was thinking about joining a church of christ. However, after seeing this article and reading this blog, I want no part of your group. Thank you for helping me realize what the church of christ is best at. Arguing, bickering, and condemning. I believe I will try another denomination.

Chad

J. Dean, OKC said...

Rick,

You are exactly right. Grace is not a substance, object, philosophy, or position.

Grace is the disposition of God toward sinners based on His love.

Because he loves us he chose to extend both mercy and grace.

His unmerited favor did for us what we could not do for ourselves.

But the fact that it is offered to us as part of a covenant relationship should tell us that there are stipulations.

God's nature has not changed but the covenant (ie, law) has definitely changed. If we think that God is simply going to overlook those who monkey with His revelation we are sadly mistaken.

Thank God I'm not a legalist said...

I thank God everyday that I am not a legalist like most on this blog are. It must be a miserable state of Christianity to live with such a legalistic understanding.

Bro. Disciple said...

Chad,

Please read your Bible. Study it carefully.

Please know that you cannot simply "join" the church like some country club. It is the Lord who adds those being saved to the church.

The church is supposed to be the pillar and ground of the truth. So it is a bit upsetting when folks begin to teach error in the church.

Also know that the church is not a denomination. Denominations are unauthorized by God. Division is condemened.

Just curious said...

Rick,
Did you, Brant & Gil attack Max Lucado (the most beloved author in the history of the Church of Christ denomination) from the Oak Hill Church of Christ in San Antonio, TX and Rick Atchley of Richland Hills Church of Christ in North Richland Hills, TX with the same vile methods that you have attacked Mark Henderson and the Quail Springs Church of Christ in OKC, OK?

Rick said...

Hey Chad, you don't join the church of Christ, God adds the converted to it.

This blog represents an exercise in free speech. Yes, we are not cookie cutters. We study, we debate and we study some more, but I have found this group (churches of Christ) to be wonderfully in love with both God and their fellow man.

A Legalist said...

Legalist:

Being unlawful is directly condemned by God.

The term "legalist" is not even in the Bible.

It sounds like a legalist is one who is seriously interested in what God actually says and seeks to please Him accordingly. They also seem to be passionate about it to the degree that they seek to peruade others as well.

Those that hate legalists are unlawful and really only care about what pleases themselves.

They must like Elvis and Sinatra. After all those guys sang their mantra... "I did it my way!"

Rick said...

Max Lucado (the most beloved author in the history of the Church of Christ denomination), now there is something vile.

Max is bemoaned among members of the church of Christ, not a denomination.

Tim said...

What other salvation issues did God purposely leave out of the Bible and put in the hands of man to interpret and determine?

Rick said...

Sorry guys, must go for now. My son who is in the Air Force is coming home for a while before he "ships out."

Thanks for the conservation.

just curious said...

Rick,
So very few agree with you on anything you say. You are part of a tiny minority of which I'm sure you will say that you are proud to be of.

You didn't answer the question. Did you go after Richland Hills and Oak Hill Churches of Christ for adding instrumental worship to their services?

Anonymous said...

Just curious... can anybody tell me the educational background of the three wise men (Rick, Gil, and Brant)?

Jeff Martin said...

Atchley was discussed last year on this site and in the Lectureship, why do you ask?

just curious said...

Jeff,
Because their Church of Christ congregations have also added instrumental worship for their believers. I want to know if they treated them with the same vile attack as they did with Henderson.

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Jeff Martin said...

If you are referring to the Oklahoman article, it said that he was wrong and we are praying for him. Yeah, that's a real vicious and vile attack.

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Josh said...

As a college student that was raised in the church of Christ, this mess really breaks my heart. Thankfully, God's love is so much more powerful than any of this. This argument is so petty in view of what God expects from us as Christians. The message of Christ is a unifying one. A message of love. A message of hope. The public methods that have been used to critique Quail Springs, your fellow believers, are sending a message of hypocrisy.

How will any of this bring anyone to Christ? You might want to consider your motives. $11,000 for a full page color ad sure could feed a lot of hungry people, or help fund missions, but you chose to spend it on indoctrination that is ripping the church apart. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves as church leaders.

I am going to follow Jesus, instruments or not.

Anonymous said...

Jeff,
You need to read the original posting on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 named
Quail Springs, Church of Christ?

If you don't call this vile, you are uneducated.

Anonymous said...

Again, does anybody out there know the educational background of these guys?

Anonymous said...

An elder from the Lindsay Church of Christ says that Brant has no formal education. He was taught the "ways of the Lord" by his grandmother.

Bro. Disciple said...

Educational Background...

Are you looking for some kind of "credentials"?

The typical reason for such is to belittle it if it doesn't meet some secular standard.

The most important question is do they know the scriptures.

Deal with the substance.

A Friend said...

Brant studies his Bible and has read extensively and widely from sound brethren of today and yesteryear.

He is bright and quick. Don't think for a minute that his lack of an accredited degree makes him easy to dismiss.

J. Dean, OKC